Synthesizing hats and cymbals
Im experimenting with this and Im getting okay results but not results I’m crazy about. The pic below is the best Ive come up with for hats. Sorry if its blurry I used my phone to take a pic of my ipad lol. Idk Im not in love with any results yet. Should I venture into ring modulation or does it look like Im on the right track and just need to tweak some more?
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Aha, adding an envelope to the noise helps give the hit and then the ring at the end. Proper screen shot this time.
to not get the drumcomputer HH modulate the decay of it all ... and you dont need to come up with something that does simulate the choke group as it all happens in a single instrument ...
for the X0X HH & cymbal sound look at my presets at patchload
(its basically the same sound, the difference between the HH and cymbal makes the wave folder , the 808 schematics says something different, but this is the sound ;) )
this is as close as it gets with drambo
"https://patchstorage.com/808/"
(the multiple envelopes are just there to make it punchy ...)
I bought the behringer 606 (RD-6) just for the HH because I wasn't satisfied. this also has the roland accent thing (big hit is on these steps) that adds a lot to the sound, simulating this with velocity sucks.
the clever roland engineers abused something else to create the wavefolder timbre for the cymbal - I tried what the schematics said, that didnt sound like it at all, cant remember what it was now, the wave folder does the trick.
A mad man at Roland must have come up with this,
its brilliant.
additive synthesis (with square waves) & analog filters & pseudo wave folders in an analog box.
Imagine coming up with this patch in a room full of roland system 700 modules. crazy. 🤯
That does sound good. Thanks. I replaced the 6 osc voices with 1 and a Unison module and cut it down to one envelope and high pass just cause I Iike to keep things simple when I can. I'm sure it's not as flexible but I tend to get too lost in the minutia when it gets too big.
ah, I remember now, it said "hard clipper"
that didnt work
I just tried clip and quite like like it thanks
🙏🏻
This is the best one yet I think. Borrows from the 808 cymbal you showed me above but a trimmed down version and then it goes into an Fm Operator. I think it sounds great what do you think? The fm op is not using the Unison pitch.
maybe move the fm part infront of the bandpasses
the trick from the original was to filter the wild frequency goulash (...) like that
by simply adjusting the 2 frequencies of the bandpasses u can surf through a wide range of timbres ...
(no or little need to mess with the input oscillators, just set them up to get a metallic sounding timbre, and then move on and dont look back)
Just tried it sounds a little too tame to me. My way sounds more metallic to me. Doesn't really sound like a real cymbal but it sounds to me like a drum machine cymbal.
Matters what note you play though. C2 sounds perfect to me.
yes, its to soft its the right timbre but it goes phhhchhh instead of "bang bang - I can ripp your head off if I want to" ^^ ...
thats what the multiple envelopes where for ...
its not punchy enough without that 🤷🏻♂️
in the end I got the real thing and the difference is like night & day ^^
I really love the XOX HH.
the price went down again, they go for 100€ now. 😱
there really is no need anymore to life with digital imitations. 😀
After having a mountain of hardware both digital and analog I gotta say I vastly prefer digital modular on an ipad. No module limits, way better sequencer, saving settings, ultra compact and battery powered. Hardware can suck it ;)
I do a lot with the accent
no accent in drambo sucks
I love analog hardware lately, you just turn everything on and it instantly sounds good. without 15 plugins after it to tweak the sound. :)
and the good stuff got so ridiculously cheap, why buy plugins or rent stupid software when the real thing costs the same and will still be on your desk/in your rack in 20 years? ;)
i payed way to much money for software the last 20 years, and nothing to noodle on is left of it in the end. 🤷🏻♂️
now back my latest packet from Thomann, read you later. ^^
You can patch up accent. Just p-lock a trigger button to an envelope gen to an amp. Its better that way as you can decide if you want accent to affect filter too or anything else.
talk about cheap, Drambo was what $30? Its literally my favorite synth of all time.
p locks are bs to edit, its alright as long as you are in the flow, if you come back days later to your session and want to edit things - its a royal pain in the ass. ;) it takes me so long that I forget on the way what I wanted to do in the first place, and get distracted by something else, aaaaargh 🙄
I just choose accent, press the steps I want now(!), done. takes 2 seconds and works on the fly :)
thats how its supposed to be. this is a real instrument you can play live.
not this big ass maneuver with p-locks or velocity on all tracks or whatever else you came up with in drambo ...
thats all stuff you do at home or in the studio when you have all the time in the world and want to dive deep and enjoy your inner nerd😑
thats not the practical approach at all ;)
here is your empty pattern, go! (lala snaps his fingers)
X0X boxes are great, you can be drunk, you can be stoned, you have a fever and the attention span of a goldfish, whatever, you are still capable of managing what's going on.
good luck with the p locks. ;)
Okay so use a sequencer module and name it Accents. Or place a text module somewhere.
I get that hardware is fun but I can do more in Drambo than any single piece of gear I've ever owned and I can take it anywhere. It's no contest.
you see, its scratch your chin and solve a problem ...
its not here is your empty pattern, I give you 10 sec to rock the shit out of it :)
its a very different attitude
besides you dont have to relearn you hardware, its does its thing and you know how to get "there".
computer software comes and gos ... just like the computers. it has a short lifespan.
Agreed @Johnisfaster, working with Digitakt and Digitone can be a fun trip for a while but coming back to Drambo, it feels like freedom.
Scratch my head and solve a problem is pretty much why modular synths rule.
I dont want to jigsaw up the musically obvious stuff if I dont have to,
like a simple pitch envelope.
pitch this sample x semitones up/down over the decay time of y
it makes zero sense to me to puzzle this up with a calculator in drambo everytime I want to change the pitch. thats a lot of unnecessary brain dance for results every musician wants.
It makes me think, gee have these ppl ever done music or are they just fooling around with their lego bricks? 😈 ;)
oh, you want semitones and not envelope amount, who would have thought? 🙄
at the end of the day I want to hear results,
and not mess around with problems that I dont have when I use something that is build for the purpose.
what drambo does well is polyphony
the other stuff not so much, because you build with the smallest pieces you can think of 🤷🏻♂️
🤷♂️ I just use my ears. It just has to sound good it doesnt have to be exactly anything but good to my ears. In fact often what sounds good isn't an exact number I would have shot for.
That's it!